Freedom of Kashmir: Let them go…
Kashmir, an issue of pride for India and Pakistan has been burning since the both countries got their independence from the British Raj.
Kashmri Map
Its a sensitive issue to talk about on a blog, especially by an Indian, as the sentiments that prevail in India, can easily result in to burning my effigies just for expressing my views here.
Do not get me wrong, as I am pro-Indian and I love the Indian Nation more than anything in this world.
Okay coming back to Kashmir, there has been a problem there for long but since last couple of weeks its been a chaos. Many of you will remember that about a year back, Kashmiris were up in arms when the Govt. decided to give away some land to Amarnath Temple Board. People in Kashmir proclaimed that the Yatra has been taking place since many years without any interruption so why give away Kashmiri land to Hindu Temple. Well they easily forgot that right in heart of Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, and other towns / villages / cities of India acres of Land have been encroched by Waqf Board, Mosques, Mouselleium and other Muslim institutions, and its a pity and really low of Kashmiri people to ask this back.
Now, there is another observation, the native language of Kashmir is Kashmiri, Dogri, etc but the guys who claim to be Kashmiris and are pro-Pakistani speak and write URDU which has nothing to do with Kashmir.
Secondly, the whole lifeline of Kashmir works through Hindu / Sikh Jammu and other parts of India. They dont understand that they will starve if there is no India to support them. At the time of Amarnath Land issue Kashmiris started walking towards the border in hope to join Pakistan. Well, if they really had guts to do that then they should join Pakistan, but let me give you guys some facts so that general Kashmiris can make up their mind.
Pakistan is a failed state and their Foreign Minister had to recently go to NATO to ask for monies to fund their armies and government institution. Anything that Pakistan has is either made in PR China or USA. Moreover they hate USA who are really “anna-datta” (Feeding God) of Pakistan. They never had a good stable government in their history and the militants there thinks they can take on the world (well they think like this but they actually forget that they fight from caves).
States fail, States succeed; there was even time in India when Indira Gandhi went towards declaring an emergency. the Indian state failed (its another thing that it rebounded and made in to one of the most successful states of 21st century). The point here is that Kashmiris dont think things through. They take emotional decisions based on some uneducated, class-less leaders who happen to be a separatists.
While being in NCC for couple of years, I attended one of their National Camps and met a few Hindu Kashmiris as well as Muslim Kashmiris back in 1996 they all seemed friendly. My Hindu Kashmiri friend who used to live in Doda district told me that on the day of independence the Pak-supporters come and put Pak flags on their houses and they cant remove them. This is not done.
98% of Kashmiri Pandits are out of Kashmir, still 13% of Indian Muslims live in safety and prosper everyday in Majority-Hindu India, how is this fair. I strongly believe that any majority whether Hindus or Muslims should protect the minority that live side-by-side with them. India would be colour-less without all the Muslim that it has, as you can clearly see that Kashmir is colour-less without any Hindu Kashmiri Pandits.
Another good example is Pakistan, they got rid of majority of non-muslim population at the time of Partition, even though I believe Jinnah was a democrat and was secular. Pakistan has not seen a day of peace since independence and if Kashmiris reject India, they wont see a day of peace either as they would be crushed by China, oppressed by Pakistan and would never be again accepted or protected by India.
I feel sorry for Kashmiris who dont see that the Pakistan Occupied Kashmir should really be independent, if Pakistan was really pro-Kashmir, instead they gave 1/3rd of POK to China as a gift (didnt even fight for it – as it was integral part of Kashmir before independence and during the British / Mughal Raj). Even today there is no government and 100s of issues in Azad Kashmir, there are militant training camps being run and bred there. If this is what youth of Kashmir wants then be it, let them enjoy that sort of life instead of democratic living.
For Kashmiris there are only two options, stay with India and join the wave of economic and social reform that country is going through (instead of pushing it down) or join Pakistan and share their misery (from food shortage to international begging), but remember there is no third way as Pakistan can never let you guys be independent.
For India there leaves only one option whether they solve it today or 100 years down the line, if Kashmiris hate calling themselves Indians and dont want to be recognised as Indian (and also dont support our secularism), then its better to let them go, instead of spending billions on them – we can easily find a decent cause in any of our states from Jammu (+ Leh and Ladakh) to Kerala.
Whatever all concerned parties decide they should look at their Wives and Kids and see for their better, prosperous future.
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Thank you Sir.
Hi there Madhav,
Nice blog.
I worked in Srinagar, Kashmir. What I understood is that average Kashmiri wants independence, which they’ll never achieve anyway. You are very true-we should let them go, then only they understand the meaning of being with India and being a part of India. If we let them go, billions of funds could be saved-we all know where those funds are being parked…
T.J.
My dear open the flood gate of jehadis to Himachal pradesh and rest of India from north and north west. Please learn from the history.
Sharma Saahab,
Not at all. International Border will make sure that no flood gate of Jehadis are open. It is the LOC that is allowing Jehadis to hop-in India.
Appreciate your comments. Do elaborate!
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Shree Madhavbhai.
I do agree with your statements in your article. But yet only problem I see is, if we let go of kashmir, Chaina will definitely intrude in that territory and create greater danger for India especially for Himachal Pradesh which
will be most vulnerable. Also America has always favoured Pakistan and America is highly indebted to
China so we can not rely on them. Over and above all these, can you trust our Indian government ? Vallabhbhai, with great effort ,united India creating 16 states and now we are back to 26 or so. Just because of our internal conflicts India has suffered slavery through centuries. Before we exit from Kashmir we should properly think through our exit strategy.
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With due regard
Girish
Dear Girish bhai,
thank you for visiting the blog. Here’s my view:
1) With Kashmir I only mean Kashmir (not Jammu, Leh or Ladakh). Once we give independence to Kashmir, PAK will be forced to give it away too, and after all these struggle, Kashmiri people would not want Chinese interference. They might get financial support, but it will take China atleast 20 years to start providing infrastructure to Kashmir, as they are currently use our infrastructure and Kashmir even after independence would be dependent on Indian support like Nepal is for atleast 20 years. While they will look at PAK for military and defense support, I really dont care much for it, as if India agrees to peace and independence of Kashmir, this issue will be sorted automatically – as we will come to International Border instead of LOC.
2) US is not indebted to China like a human being is indebted. China has bought Govt security bonds of USA, anyone in this world can buy these bonds, even you and me – and foreign policies are not dependent on these things, only if a country goes to a war then it will come to this problem, but USA is more than capable to tackle this – they will simply kill the $ exchange rate and crumble Chinese Economy. As far as PAK is concerned people of PAK are against USA and may be its in their blood that while USA was supporting them they were licking them, and as soon as they turned against them – they started hating USA and sat on Chinese lap.
I think 15-20 years down the line it is in US strategy to break PAK as they have found $1Trillion worth of Metals in Afghanistan and to mobiles it – Afghanistan would need a sea port. So may be Balochistan will get its long due independence.
3) Yes I do not turst Indian Govt but I trust Indian People and Indian Nation. Even Naxals are pro-India but are anti-Indian Govt. So I think we will come out alright,
Loads of thinking has already been done and now its time for peace for people of Kashmir and our people too.
your article and blog replys are very interesting
I wonder Nexals are too vulnerable now! even our army generals are saying that govt should find a political sollution and army is not capable enough
its a sad situation Kashmir they say is a hurdle for this too, as most of the army and funds are occupied there, if kashmiris are such desh drohi they should be kicked towards pakistan to suffer!
China yes is my concern, already we are hearing that china has taken control of azad kashmir and the closest pakistani state to it. this is alarming situation. Also i have heard that US has never been liked by pakistanis and it remains in their politics cause of the rich natural resourses in pakistan and afghanistan???
but china is so strong in today’s world and it is there inside pakistan approaching our borders?? what are they upto?
Mansi,
Thanks for your thoughtful comments.
I agree China is a concern, and indeed a big one. But if we conduct a plebiscite in which we can feel that Jammu and Ladakh would come back to us. The Valley of Kashmir will go and join in Azad Kashmir (either as an independent nation / part of Pak). In these situation – we will have an international border from LOC, to start with.
Now, my research suggests that chinese army is there for rebuilding after flood issues. But whatever the matter, China after Kashmir’s independence / joining of pakistan cannot stay in Kashmir – as they cannot afford what Indian army has gone thru since last 60 years. Kashmiris would be again in streets protesting – and violence will again be rampant.
In all these years, we have managed to give Kashmiris their own identity, i.e. they do not believe anymore that they are Pakistanis – they call themselves Kashmiris – so China has no chance to be there after Kashmiri Independence / Joining of PAK.
But if we dont let Kashmiris go – China can stay as long as they want – and Kashmiris would only support them.
Look at a bigger picture – if we do Plebiscite in Kashmir – there can be one in Balochistan too… so Pakistan may be lot smaller country and a lot secular one.
The elected MLAs of Jammu Kashmir state have aliened with India constitutionally.
If Kashmir wants to get away from India, it has no ground and reason. It has its own government. If they fail to rule inspite of billions of rupees aid of India, it is their fault.
The consequences cannot be overlooked. There are 150 million Muslims in other parts of India. What could be their fate?
There are several districts where Muslims have majority. They can have a reason to get separated from India on the same ground.
India was not divided by the religion as criteria as per the partition document.
Very well said Sir.
We promised Kashmiris a plebiscite six decades ago. Let us hold one now, and give them three choices: independence, union with Pakistan, and union with India. Almost certainly the Valley will opt for independence. Jammu will opt to stay with India, and probably Ladakh too. Let Kashmiris decide the outcome, not the politicians and armies of India and Pakistan
If they opt for Union with Pak, only Valley would go to Pakistan which in result will add a very small bit in to Azad Kashmir. If they opt for independence they wont survive for 15 mins without our Billions.
Indian Muslims generally do not hold any emotion of Kashmiris like they dont for Pakistanis. Deo Band Darul is Pro-Indian and have already debated over this issue.
I am in no way saying that Kashmir should be independent because they are Muslim Majority, I am just saying that they are slapping our democracy and our ethics so hard that we might be better off just without it.
I believe in Indian Democracy and it has prove to be so powerful in case of Manipur, Nagaland, Khalistan, and many others we have had. Most Manipur’s new generation identify themselves as Indians (patriotic Indians) now. Kashmir is an isolated issue and they can never integrate with us.
Whether you do it today or 100 years down the line, this issue will haunt our democracy again again till it is sorted for good.
This is India’s century – 21st Century. Kashmir is a 20th Century Problem, we should go for conquering the world by our business muscle instead of giving grief to our brave soldiers!
Most of the cost of Kashmir comes from the valley. Separating it would go a long way to easing India’s costs – including the cost to India’s reputation from being cited frequently on human rights violations right there with China and N. Korea. The UK after many decades came to the same conclusion in N.Ireland.
As for the fear that giving Kashmir away will encourage other groups, most separatist groups don’t really bother with past precedence.
The rest of the union is made up of those of us who whatever our differences believe that divided we will not make a difference in the world for our people.
Those of us who separated on the grounds that birds of the same religious feather should flock together, have found that religion can be unstoppably divisive once you’ve gone down that path. Those that believed that a smaller country and a responsive gov’t over a large land with a distant central gov’t have found they face all the problems of developing nations without the benefits of lower cost of defense or a larger voice in getting fair treatment in the international arena.
I think our astute leaders, remembering that the Mahabharata could have been avoided if 6 villages had been given up, agreed to partition. They bade good journey to a THIRD of our citizens without so much as a military war. So what has happened to us that makes this small piece of land something we will fight an eye for an eye for? With the Gujuratis and marwadhis on our side and the Sindhis on their side, surely a deal that benefits both sides isn’t impossible.
A deal of this magnitude would reduce the hostility between India and Pakistan by a huge factor.
It would restore Pakistan’s pride at losing Bangla and it would be an even bigger WIN for India on the world stage. It would free us from the past so that we can fulfill the promise of our independence that Nehruji made of a shining star in the east.
Finally, it would be good to not have all conversations about India on the world stage begin or end with Kashmir. Our destiny calls for us to resolve this issue of the past by rising to our better principles.
As for security against China, the valley is a potential THIRD front behind our existing lines in a two front war. I believe our defensive exposure improves immensely by moving to a tighter borderline with defensible fall back positions along the major rivers in the south and north of the state. The areas that remain in India are forward areas that are very pro Indian least what happened to Tibet befall them. Those areas provide the advantage of height, a very motivated citizen force and wedge formation from which to launch into punitive offense in many directions leaving the other side with the issue of spreading their forces to defend the surrounding areas.
Kashmir is a burning issue and giving it away will only result in both sides burning up. Letting it go is even more riskier.
Hi.
First of all I live in the UK. I think Pakistan is a failed nation. Corruption is rife. It would be nice if Kashmir could be a part of India to prosper. I honestly believe Pakistani people live in the dark ages.
Yarun Nahar – Acocks Green, Birmingham
Hi,
happpened to come across your blog when we were discussing azad kashmir and the current happenings in kashmir. Your sentiments echo ours…. Fantastic view point, wish the govt could and would move on these lines. Is there any strategic advantage in hanging on to this part of kashmir for our indian army…. instead of losing our dear soldiers, let them become pakistanis and face the same rotten situation that the pakistanis are facing now.. why should we tag them on to our shining india ?
Dear Roshni,
Thank you for your visit. Our brave armymen are taking real mess every day in Kashmir, they definitely do not deserve that abuse. Armies / Para-Military are not meant/trained for these kind of situation.
While giving it away would only mean giving the Valley away .. i.e. the cities and town, though India should always have control on strategic points where there is virtually no population – like Kargil Mountains. Afterall, Pakistan always says that they speak for Kashmiri People… so let them have the people and those part with population – we dont have to give away the Locations.
Yes Kashmir is a 20th Century problem and we are on our way to become the leader of 21st Century. So let the guys who hate calling themselves Indians, go.
Dear madhav sir,
Thank you for giving the actual information about the kashmir and kashmiri’s
Iam having some doubts regarding the kashmir partition
–actually how the kashmir was divided into 3 (or 5)india’s,pakisthan’s,china’s.azad kashmir,northern kashmir after the independence of india??
–why the kashmir people are opposing the india/indian. govt.????
–But now it seems that kashmir people are very strongly opposing india/indian govt regarding that quran tragedy occured in USA,then why can’t we(our govt) give the good solution to kashmiri protests??
please sir i have to know the solutions/answers for my questions,,please send me your views and opinions regards the KASHMIR
—–BHARATH KUMAR,M.TECH,NIT,TRICHY,TAMILNADU,INDIA
Bharath,
Thank you for your visit.
1) Kashmir in whole was annexed to India by the then Raja of Kashmir. Part of Aksai Chin was occupied by China as they identify it as a party Tibet which is now an autonomous region of China. In 1948 war, the UN intervened and drew a Line of Control, of which the part of Kashmir that was occupied by Pakistan stayed with Pakistan. The Pakistanis gave it a greater autonomy and called it “Azad Kashmir”. Pakistan as a state has no interest of Kashmiri people other than their own person Geo-Political reasons, this is the reason that they gave away some part of Northern Kashmir to China as a good-will gesture. You might remember how Kashmiris went on rampage after some land was allotted to the Amarnath Temple Trust, but they did not do anything when Pakistan gave away 1000s of Sq KM land to China as a Gift.
2) The matter of Kashmir was very simple, that the Raja did not wanted to Annexe his state to either India nor Pakistan. But Mohammed Ali Jinnah got Afghan Mujaheedeens to go and conquer Kashmir, after which the Raja gave away the state to India and all of above happened. Kashmiris previously thought that because they are Muslims they should be part of Pakistan, over the years they have evolved and now want to be an independent Nation. Out Over 90% of Kashmiris want Independence, over 78% of Jammu wants to stay with India and over 80% of Leh/Ladakh wants to stay with India. The problem is that there is a heavy Indian military and para-military presence in Kashmir and from opposing that Kashmiris have gone in to fighting heavily against the Indian Administration of Kashmir.
3) No they are not opposing Indian state against Quran fiasco of the USA. They are just protesting against the view of it. Today there are protesting against Indian Govt for its occupation of Kashmir and nothing else.
4) We cant give a solution to Kashmir problem because of vested interests of all parties involved. India has put Kashmir on a periphery and there is a large consensus within India to not let part of Kashmir go. Pakistan wants it for many reasons, including Water, Political & Military Clout and the Military of Pakistan is unprofessional and wants to take revenge against India for 1971. Hamid Gul the ISI director of Pakistan told Benazir Bhutto (when she was PM of Pak) that supporting separatists movement in India is like having another regiment in Pak army without burden to Pakistani State. Now the third interest comes from the separatists leaders of Kashmir, they get heavily funded by Pakistan and its agencies and if there is a solution to Kashmir issue, they would become irrelevant in Kashmir, as they have no future in democratic independent Kashmir.
5) The solution according to me is Plebiscite. This would make Kashmir become independent but still we will have Jammu and Leh/Ladakh with us without any protests. Our Army men wont have to face these bonkers every day, and Kashmir on its own wont survive 1 week – you can already see the lawlessness of Azad Kashmir (The whole economy size of Azad Kashmir is 1/10th of that of Indian Kashmir – even without protests).
The Plebiscite should happen in Azad Kashmir, Indian Kashmir , Jammu and Leh/Ladakh. This will be very beneficial to India, as then there could be Plebiscite in Aksai Chin too. In terms of future, over next 5- 10year period Baloch and Pushtuns can also ask for Plebiscite in Pakistan and may be they can become autonomous or independent from Pakistan. Also in China this could lead to give Plebiscite in Xinjiang, Tibet and Inner Mongolia and possible Tibet and Xinjiang can become independent states over next 20 year period.
But more than anything at our end, we would save many billions that we waste on Kashmir Valley people!
I like your comment Mr.M Desai. But I believe no plebiscite/ referrendum would happen IN J&K. Plebiscite is dead long ago.No Plebiscite would ever happen in Azad Kashmir, Baluchistan and Xinjiang either. If we let go Kashmir valley and then the Muslim majority areas- (there are four districts) of Jammu will also go with valley and that means a large part of J&K state and India will have a small part of Jammu. That does not look good for India. It is very difficult issue for India and for Kashmiris also to solve. I have no suggestion.
Sir, thank you for your visit. Your comments are appreciated.
sir
I would like post my honest opinion here that indian goverment should make it easy for kashmirians to visits both sides of kashmir also the passport process and visa system should be mad easy for kashmirians for visiting to pakistan. Families of militants should allowed to meet their relative stayed it POK. when it vl happen once kashmrians would b exposed to real pakistan as they are living in fool’s pardise and they vl come to about realities and come out of their imaginary world. after some time a plebisite should be held i can assure you people that plebiscite will go in the fate of india and this vexing problem vl b sloved and india vl boost up economically as i vl come out of big economical hurdle
Hmmn, but why should we keep the lot that hate to call themselves Indians.. Plebiscite will only result in sepration – and at the end India will end up with Ladakh and Jammu.
Pakistan will make the same setup in Indian Kashmir as they have done in Pak Kashmir – i.e. Lawlessness and anarchy. How will they feed these people when they are unable to feed people in Peshwar and Rawalpindi? HOw will Kashmiris get CNG and Petrol when there are Rations of Fuel in Islamabad and Lahore?
So let them go and never return is good for India.
Please let us Assamese be on our own as well. We would gladly starve to death than be Indians.
Are you really sure?
Coz the computer you are using is in United States – and you used wireless network of Mississippi State University.
Regards,
What nonsense is Assamese talking?
Well this particular Assamese, wants Assam to be independent from India, and says that he doesnt mind even if people of Assam dies of hunger.
The thing to note here is that he himself is communicating from USA. And more than anything he doesnt understand the poor and hungry people die of hunger for political reasons and not people like him eating Pizzas and using broadband in USA.
I suggest him to start hunger strike himself, to start his own independence movement…. I am sure he wont even do it for 1 whole day.
Very interesting blog.
I am from Tamilnadu. My view on Kashmiris is that even if they go to the end of the world I would not want my govt to give freedom or no even autonomy. It should be like any other Indian state. U would have seen the 2009 Parliament election in Tamilnadu. Every politician was talking about Srilankan Tamil issue for selecting Indian Prime Minister. even though the results were purely against them. I am really tired of hearing those nonsense crap. If Kashmir is given up then each and every state there will be SOME nonsense we would have to deal with and the army should be maintaining its presence in almost every state.
Instead I believe in education and infrastructure. When Kashmir has got 100% literacy and employment with good infrastructure they will not go to the streets throwing stones, at least not for 50rs. right. When POK and IOK has these difference kashmiris are not fools to have a cancer attached to them. We are seeing Kashmir has Muslim dominated territory giving problem but actually there are shia and sunni Muslims community were sunni would be more pro pakistan than shia. Even shia Muslim POK are trying to settle in IOK. Pakistan has 70-80% of sunni Muslims naturally shia’s are minority and from history we know how Pakistan treat minorities. they may not be pro-Indian but definitely not pro Pakistan. So only Sunni Muslims will give support for insurgents and Muslims from my country dont care for insurgents.
As u said only small part – kashmir valley is problematic.. that means Ladakh and Jammu are not involved in this mess. So we can spend little more for little more time. It has origin of important rivers source. and you will be knowing ‘pure drinking water is a scarce resource in the world’ we need it for the future. As of uninhabited Akasi Chin, India or the army never had maintained presence even before the war. and was not even part of Kashmir. It was part of Tibet (not China). Even Arunachal Pradesh is a part of Tibet. but British drew McMohan line and we got Arunachal Pradesh. and the people accepted Indian Union.
In the nuclear era no country would dare to step in other countries territory. So China will only watching us and even if they attack us and capture some land they cant occupy and will forced to withdraw. Since it would give us the right to use nuclear bomb in the border (within the captured territory) without UN intervention. Arunachal Pradesh was captured but China withdrew for fearing the world pressure.
We have every right to have Kashmir even with these problems no countries voice will be heard. Pak has Baluchistan, Pasthunisthan China has Tibet, UK had North Ireland, USA had civil war, SriLanka had Tamil eelam and many more but none gave freedom and they exist till now. Please dont forget Balkanisation. it got into peices. I dont want my country to be like that. There is absolutely no reason for us to let go Kashmir and i truly believe we will get over this. Sorry if i went off-topic. Thanks.
hello Madhav,
we share same name and probably same ideas, it was nice to read an article on Kashmir and your views regarding this.
i am in the valley for past six years, the Kashmir problem is an issue , not a freedom struggle.
because all of us understand the meaning of freedom, they are more free than rest of Indians, Kashmiris started paying electricity bills from 2006,
the issue of Kashmir is a political propaganda driven by Islamist fundamentalists, the valley succumbs to religious issues, All the Kashmiris were hindus, later most of them started to follow Islam after the intrusion of Sufi saints, when Buddhism was on its high, Kashmiris opted for buddhism, again after the arrival of Islamic rulers through Hindukush, they again reverted back to Islam.
so, if we see the history of Kashmir , we see that they are easily brainwashed, and it is stil prevailing in their society. they are talking about the IRK, Islamic Republic of Kashmir, even they don’t know that Islam never teaches about the formation of country and nationalism, it is the universal religion.
so, if anyone can solve the kashmir issue, then thy is a spiritual leader, who can show them a right path.
i contradict one of your statement , i see no problem if any Indian uses Urdu as the language of communication, as it was intruded by the Islamic rulers. but Kashmiris talk in Kashmiri language, Jammuites talk in Dogri, As far as the script is concerned , the Kashmirs have Sharda as their script and Dogri has Gurumukhi, but both of them are lost now, Kashmiris use Farsi script and Dogras use Devanagari.
send demographical kashmir to pakistan , not the geographical Kashmir. becuase its the voice of people, as Kashmiri Hindus are forced to live in the refugee camps in jammu and various other parts of India, and they are happier than the Kashmiris muslims staying in Kashmir. so, if they wish that we are obstructing their freedom, then we should welcome them to the neighbouring Islamic state.
Thank you for visiting sir.
Well I do not believe in Ethnic Cleansing – as I do not see a reason for it.
I do however, see clearly that successive Indian Govts have never recognised the fact that Pandits are no more in Kashmir.
Lets see ….
@madhav desai jee,,,
its a good thing that you dont beleive in ethnic cleansing and you are right that none of the ruling governments have considered the plight of kashmiri pandits , there are some organisations in Jammu region which stands for the right of the hindus from Kashmir , but they are termed as religious bashers.
Dear Namesake (Madhav),
That is a real problem in India. We just do not know if an individual or an organisation or a team is a religious basher or an ideologue or simply an observer. This I feel is due to lack of proper education that has for ages now (atleast since last 150-200 years) has been eating the roots of a tree that was once giving sweet fruit.
Let quote something from The Exalted Holy Srimad Bhagwat Geeta (Quoting Arjun) – frrom 1.39 to 1.42:
1.39
1.40
1.41
1.42
You are a smart man, look at this subjectively. You may find Krishna’s answer all the way till end from here – and atleast for me that is most eternal.
you are right , i personally have same feelings.
Read the blog and I must admit I have been thinking on same lines for quite long.
Let’s face the truth – Kashmir was never part of India since 1947.
Jammu & Ladakh were, but not Kashmir I believe.
Even the name J&K is really misleading as Kashmir is hardly part of us.
Let Kashmir go, then we can concentrate on Jammu & Ladakh.
Enough with this political nonsense claiming Kashmir is integral part of India.
Only concern for me is the millitants & Chinese gaining more control.
But , compared to the ongoing shadow war, I prefer a full scale one – decide once and for all.
We have had enough of this, let them go.
May be Kashmir be destroyed, Pakistan will have more issues, China can have a bit headache too.
We Indians will get stronger by this.
Jai Hind.
@Vimal – thank you for your visit. Kashmir was part of India. Just now it is not and it should be given away. As India is a great nation and Kashmir is useless – sick part of it that cost too much.
Thanks Madhavji
I meant Kashmir was never our part in any real sense.
Yes, border wise they were , but practically, it never was.
I have read about atrocities committed by our own army against locals.
Much in line of what IPKF did in Sri Lanka.
And in revenge, they turn to millitants.
If this right , we are creating our own enemies right ?
Even if Kashmir is let off, will our army stop this harassment ?
Also our issues in the North-East areas (7 sisters we call right
) are never really voiced.
The press says and propagates that North East or Chinese both look same. and both behave hostile to India.
Atleast thats what the press says and propagates.
But more than Kashmir, letting the 7 sisters go will be more dangerous right ?
China & Burma will run riot then , nor will they be free, nor let us sleep free.
Please help us to get understand isssues over there and possible solutions.
DO READ IN FULL…
Dear Vimal Ji,
No I meant in real sense that the scripts and the history of Kashmir can show that it was always a real part of India – they use Brahmic scripts to write the local languages. It is different that since 1980s they have all opted in to Urdu.
Army in India or Army Anywhere (except ofcourse Pakistan) works on orders of Govt. the Wrath that follows is just collateral damage. Ofcourse our policies have once made Tamils go against us, but I do not believe that Kashmiris are terrorists just because of presence of Indian Army in there.
Terrorists in global scenario come mainly from Pakistan and other Arab States – the ones that have agenda againsts liberal society.
Regarding 7 Sisiter – I dont know – states have their policies and Armies act on them – they are simply people who implement on these policies. North East has calmed down and certain guerilla orgs from North East are now part of Ministries of North East.
The problem to understand here – is that – states, governments and countries have become so powerful that people and substates are of no value to it. Weather its India or China or even Pakistan. To Kill 1000 people now a days only requires one military helicopter. The states cannot fail especially states like US, UK, Europe, India, China, etc – which are key states in the world.
The solution initially was thought to be communism but it failed miserably. Instead of empowering people – communist regimes suppressed them. So, the real solution today is Democracy and building it up well. For India, the solution cannot be prescribed neither can be predicted as it is such a large state with many many different cultures. It actually hurts when only 5% of Indian population is well to do – and the rest are hopeless. But then public has to share some blame too.
I think that if world population gets back within 2 billion people in total – all problems will be solved. I do feel there will be a world war – within next 20 years which might end with similar result.
Regards,
It seems you are crazy. what is wrong in leaving kashmir seperate which is the solution for the peace of AISIAN countries, i think u r following the like Gaddafi in Lebia and Manmohan and Farooq abdullah in India. Ya it also seems that india will never think even leaving of kashmir because most of the Indian states and population rely on Kashmir totaly so it is clear india will die but never leave kashmir.
kill all muslims of india …. they are pakistanis . i will love to help you indians ……
Dear Bablabablaboo,
I think you have gone crazy. You seem to be writing from Poland – still forgetting what Hitler did your people? India does not need a Hitler – and killing 150 million muslims in India is not a solution. And even if it was a solution it’s not worth it.
My keen and painfull request to Manmohan singh and Farooq Abdullah(the biggest terrorists) plz leave my KASHMIR alone. We dont want live neither with pakstan nor with india. Leave us for the sake of allah
Mr. Bhat,
With all due respect to you sir, I would really like to understand your idea of an independence. Do the people in Kashmir want a free state or an Independent state? Aazad Kashmir is a so called free state. Correct me if I am wrong. I live far away from Kashmir and know almost nothing about Kashmir and “Kashmiriyat”. However, I do know that Aazad Kashmir is not at all independent. There is a Pakistani influence and the so called Govt. of Aazad Kashmir is also run by Pakistan who themselves have never been able to stand on their own feet ever since their so called independence. I wonder if the people of Kashmir have ever looked at the women and children before talking and fighting about “freedom”.
I agree that the Govt. of India has neglected Kashmir and done almost nothing for the people. They are equally responsible for the struggle by the youth. However, what have the people of Aazad Kashmir got? Do they have schools? hospitals? jobs? I don’t think so. It’s absurd when people talk about independence without looking at the fall out. Is the future of child secure in Aazad Kashmir? Are women in Aazad Kashmir safe? I would be amazed if the answer is yes to even one of those questions.
What is it that you are looking for? Peace and security for your loved ones or just the tag of “Aazadi”. I am sure the answer to this would give you the solution.
Do you know an interesting fact ? Islam was invented by a pedophile.
i agree…
please just let kashmir go..
let it be on its own as it was way way before…
Kashmir is the only issue unites India as whole country with both Hindu and Muslim as people.Both India and Pakistan can keep their controlled area.Give Kashmiris choice where ever they want to live/migrate..Take a look at China how peacefully it controls Tibet by improving people’s livelihood. Even Israel is also slowly moving towards peace with Palestine people.It takes time to heal wounds through strength.One may wait till Baluchistan issue is resolved.
Well I agree with all your points except that Kashmir unite Hindu and Muslims in India. If you see Kashmiri Muslims have asked schools to include Islamic Prayers in their daily routines – imagine what will happen if Hindus ask for Gayatri Mantra to be recited in school.
We should get rid of this tumour in our head. They are highly volatile.
“Well I agree with all your points except that Kashmir unite Hindu and Muslims in India”………..
I mean to say united against Pakistan from the position of national strength/regional power
Does India have School Prayer Amendment like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_Prayer_Amendment
I don’t see problem with this universal prayer if both Hindu and Muslim can translate/interpret properly with exact meanings without putting religious label on it.So far all Pundits are looking correct meanings.
Paraphrases……….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayatri_Mantra
Separate laws govern Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, and followers of other religions…………
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_India
“We should get rid of this tumour in our head.”…………….
This religious tumor in our head is part of Indian life as long as India lives.By getting rid of Kashmir home grown tumor won’t go away.We have to fight this tumor daily by searching new healing medications.
Gujarati India’s state Language or National Script??